
For many, the discussion comes down to two possibilities: either we are following the typical pattern of civilizational decline, or we have reached the times described by John in Revelation.

The end-times supporters are typically aligned with the Jews.

Peter Thiel, Nate, Joel, Dispensationalists fall into this camp.

Perhaps Nate Fischer does too, although that remains to be seen.

Nate Fischer and Joel have both echoed the idea that technology is our reshaping of the world towards the Garden of Eden.

This seems true and untrue at the same time.

On the one hand, yes. Technology is making us more comfortable. It is allowing us to follow our impulses and do less work. It is creating a more peaceful and docile society.

Except … 

Is it?

Too much technology too quickly can lead to disaster. And nuclear bombs have increased the potential impact of this disaster tenfold.

Additionally, tales of pre-civilized peoples seem to imply a relatively peaceful existence. They did not have the great wars that we do, because they did not have property.


### Side 1: Christianity, Technology, End Times

It seems as as if the ultimate goal of Christianity and civilization is to recreate the primitive state, but with even less problems than it has. state but with less problems.

	The early church shared all their possessions, and had everything in common.

	The promise of no husbands or wives in heaven is not necessarily a guarantee of no gender. Perhaps it is a promise of unlimited fulfillment?

	The Garden of Eden was a plentiful place with no war or property

Our technology and our military power are already creating this life for us. They have been since the 1960s.





Christianity? | Should we go towards Tech or Nature? | Are we in Decline or the End Times?


### ~~Christianity, Technology, Decline~~
Neutral-Semitic, would prefer to avoid the question

Nate Fischer, Charles Haywood, Jared Taylor?

This view does not seem feasible because, if we are really in the decline people think, it has a 1:1 relationship with technology, democracy, and the Enlightenment. It is a slim to none chance that the anti-Enlightenment stance magically allows for the technological increase we have seen.

This is because of the devastation of technological war, combined with its leveling attributes.
If survival and performance in war is largely random or not tied to physical attributes, how can we form leadership around it?

Also, Rome's decline was marked by some technical blunders from advancing too fast. (like lead pipes)

### Christianity, Neutral, Decline
Pro-or-Neutral-Semitic

Me, maybe Late Evola

If there is no answer to the "nature vs. technology" question, then there is probably nothing we can do on a large scale. We are declining due to God, i.e. Climate Change. Therefore, it the over-civilization is not what is destroying us, but rather it is just a symptom of a dying life-form. Therefore, there is not much we can or should do. The Jews have identified this and are acting accordingly by shifting their resources to other places.

### Christianity, Nature, Decline
Anti-or-Neutral-Semitic

Me

This view is similar to the previous in that it is skeptical of technology and over-civilization, but is different in that it is less conspiratorial and anti-Jew (since we are not in the end times, there is no single evil party that is causing problems right now. Rather, our problems are a result of earnest mistakes or bad luck that have been taken advantage of by various enemies and also demoralized us).

Problem: Christianity encourages domestication. This view seems to imply we have domesticated too much.




### Christianity, Technology, End Times
Pro or Neutral-Semitic

Joel

This perspective would state that Technology is helping create the Garden of Eden once again, and that Jews and their intellectualism are to be respected. We don't need to do much, because we are in the end times.

### ~~Christianity, Neutral, End Times~~

Nobody has this view. Probably because, if we are in the end times, there must be something wrong with society. Therefore, neutrality on the "tech vs. nature" question is very unlikely.

### Christianity, Nature, End Times
Anti-Semitic

Bryce Mitchell, often Noah. 

This perspective would state that the current Israeli-American empire is ungodly and against the natural order. Generally skeptical of tech and figures like Elon. 





### Atheism, Nature, Decline 
Anti-Semitic

Hitler, Kaczynski, Evola, Spengler

This is the view that centralization, technology, and global capital have all created a situation in which humans are being sapped of our life force. Therefore, we must rebel against the system and un-domesticate ourselves.

### Atheism, Neutral, Decline
Neutral-Semitic

Trump

This is a mercenary view. Just wants to fix society so it is enjoyable again. "Whatever works."

### Atheism, Technology, Decline

Elon, Unwin?, Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer

This would probably be J.D. Unwin's view, if he was alive and stuck to his theory of rational civilizations being superior. The thought would probably go something like "we are prioritizing the wrong things, stupid third worlders are going to ruin progress"




### ~~Atheism, Nature, End Times~~

Joe Rogan, Kaczynski (kinda)

One of those sciencey reddit type guys that thinks that the world is ending because we've achived too much technology. Too paradoxical and self-hating to be a legitimate view. "GUYS MAYBE HUMANS ARE JUST A PLAGUE"

Which, of course, would make one of these guys the worst of the plague. Because they are always sciencey intellectuals.

### ~~Atheism, Neutral, End Times~~

Joe Rogan

Same as the other two.

### ~~Atheism, Technology, End Times~~

Same as the previous one, with the same flaw. Often, it's the same guy. If technology is so good, why are we in the end times?