Auron says: will people fight for it? What we really need is nations within nations? One problem, indeed, is that we are in a transition phase where our own natives are stateless because the state has grown larger than the biological mass that supports it. This is related to the idea that a nation should only pursue front-door border expansion. Backdoor deals to extract resources create a selfish elite who will betray their countrymen if they begin to falter. If we were to have a real international coalition, it would make sense for it to be a brotherhood who agree on basic things and compete with one another. Instead, we have a mass movement to live as comfortably as possible while our elites compete to extract Life from the body of a dying empire. The propositional nation is an attempt to capitalize on demographics, while also removing rivalry with native conservatives. But it's true that there are some good things about a possible propositional nation: It makes war less likely, because it allows for many peoples and cultures to coexist without violence. Perhaps what we need is to allow for more inter-identity competition within the nation, essentially creating nations within nations.